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Dahlia

@Helene:

I think that's the tricky part of the industry where things aren't so well defined between fashion magazines featuring fashion bloggers or vice versa. Is the content made out of love or out of marketing purposes when a blogger is featured in a magazine? Perhaps a little bit of both?

To answer Lucie's assumption about some fashion bloggers, I did start mine out of pure curiosity and research since I was freelancing for an online fashion magazine, but felt that there was no objective opinion coming across the articles I was writing. It only pushed me further when I overheard my cousin say that Robin Givhan of the Washington Post gave up a Vogue position after 6 months because she thought the writing was too positive and not critical enough. When I say criticism, it is not in the Fashion Police sense, but something more refreshing than constant favorable reviews of every designer collection deemed to be "fabulous."

I think that blogs can be a great stepping stone into journalism, but you definitely need courses to know how to structure an article according to the newspaper's style if you're really considering to become a serious journalist.

Helene

Interesting point Lucie. But, what if Garance Dore as a blogger truly admires Carine Roitfeld for her personal style and point of view on fashion (along with about 99.9% of all followers of fashion)? Does the fact that she has accepted to collaborate with Paris Vogue necessarily discredit her work? Conversely, I routinely find myself defending Anna Wintour from attacks I view as unfair, unduly personal or sexist. It doesn't stop me from criticizing her magazine when I feel it's justified (which, as it turns out, is fairly frequent).

Also, I'm not sure I agree with your assumption that many blogs were set up by people looking to break into fashion journalism. I see a great many blogs as having been started by people who had a very different point of view to put across about how fashion is created, marketed and delivered to the masses and ultimately consumed by them. I see in this more a desire to change fashion rather than join its ranks and sanction the status quo. Blogs (along with other forms of social media) are meant after all to be participatory.

I think that as the relationship between the fashion industry and blogs progresses, it will be important not to judge all blogs by the treatment reserved to a small handful of bloggers (Scott Schuman, Garance Dore, Tommt Ton and others).

Thank you for your comment - this is turning into a very lively discussion. I love it!

Helene

Lucie

I totally agree with you Dahlia.

I also think that the way magazines have been hiring bloggers to write/take photos for them is quite interesting.
Something like Garance's profile of Carine Roitfeld published on Vogue.fr was I believe a good example of mélange des genres. As a blogger, she's meant to have her independence but she is in fact doing a feature about her employer.

Bloggers might end up acting like other media because many blogs were set up by people who wanted to get into fashion journalism, rather than as a hobby or as reaction to how the system is working. Some bloggers might take how many invites they get or freebies they are offered as a proof of their blog worth and influence, because the most important magazines are seen as having those kind of privileges.

Ms. P&C

Well said, Helene! I had issues with that article too, namely some of the blogs that they highlighted as "suggested reading". Clearly the editor did not dig deep to find the new vibrant voices in the blogosphere, and merely went with the same bloggers who have been getting PR for years.

So you see, even in the blogging world, the clique is on.

Helene

You make an excellent point Dahlia - well said!

Regarding the disclosure of benefits (samples, invitations, gifts of all kind), I agree with you that this is precisely the potential pitfall for bloggers that find themselves on the upper end of the blogosphere's food chain. As I've stated before, I think disclosure rules are absolutely essential for blogs given the increased influence bloggers have over consumers. Unfortunately, the FTC rules conveniently ignore the fact that journalists and editors have been benefiting from freebies and swag of all kinds for years. Moreover, the FTC rules fail to address blogs that are ostensibly written by an independent blogger when in fact they are funded by corporate interests. The 'Mrs. O' blog is a perfect example of this.

Regarding the historical importance of blog posts, I understand your point but I wonder if this is the right measure by which to judge blogs and social media in general. The nature of social media (especially its immediacy) and the nature of the subject matter (fashion) may not lend themselves readily to meaningful insights. I agree with Canadian novelist Margaret Atwood, social media such as twitter is more akin to signaling than actual writing. Perhaps we need to judge it accordingly.

Thank you for your very honest and insightful comment.

Helene

Dahlia

Although yes, I find it great that fashion bloggers are getting significant recognition in the media circuit and from fashion designers themselves, there is simply too much schmoozing and coddling of bloggers much like it's been done to fashion editors.

What scares me is that fashion designers will eventually treat bloggers like the rest of the media. In return, fashion bloggers will react the same way as fashion editors at a magazine would: give a good review or stay mum. Bloggers used to have the freedom to say whatever they wanted, but like Copping said, could they be as objective if those brands are their advertisers? I doubt it.

Give the front rows to them (a form of bribery so that bloggers can gush), swag bags, party invitations, paid flights and free products, and you'll have many lapping up anything they could get. I've been to the lower profile fashion week in Montreal, or some small fashion event, and couldn't believe with the amount of "swag" I was given. Almost an insult to myself if I got a bag full of beauty products that seems to scream "Here's your bribe, we hope you write something good about us" and if I don't get a bag, it says to me "You're not good enough to get a bag even if you're here like everyone else".

It's a double-edged sword, the more recognition one gets, the more people assume that you will only give good reviews. I have no doubt that bloggers will be a normal branch of media and will eventually fade out in the media noise. It's just new and exciting now because fashion has never been so public before. But wait 5 years, will the top end bloggers be any relevant to us in the future? But most of all, are they saying anything that is worth reading in years to come? Can we actually reference back to the posts many fashion bloggers have and say "Wow, this person is/was really insightful." Or are we simply going to look past the gushing post and be disappointed that these people have really nothing to say?

Lucie

I think that one of the reasons why Maxmara had such bad financial results is their refusal to get at all involved with social media. Brands who refuse to use or even acknowledge the importance of social media are fewer and fewer. The MaxMara results showed that you can't rely on brand name anymore.

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